My friend said, you know, Professor So-and-So, this is Hillary Rotten.

She's trying to decide between us and our nearest competitor, meaning Yale.

And this professor looked down at me and he said, well, first of all, we don't have a nearest

competitor.

And secondly, we don't need any more women.

Hi Steve.

Hi Cheryl.

I am really thrilled because we're going to have Secretary Hillary Rotten, Clinton on

the show today.

We are actually not in the studio.

We're backstage in Chicago at the Auditorium Theatre at Roosevelt University.

We're literally in a very small room and there's kind of air conditioning going.

We might even hear some voices from the hallway.

That's how DIY this episode is.

That's right.

So today we're going to talk about that double bind that women find themselves in when

they are ambitious or they achieve things and have success and often are made to feel

bad about that, to explain themselves or apologize for their success.

And I think this is something, of course, you know, Hillary has a very unique vantage point.

She's the only woman in our entire history who's received the nomination for presidency

from a major party.

What I want to really talk to Hillary about is how her experience actually reflects the

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