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They believe that NATO is still determined to finish off Russia. You're listening to War College, a weekly podcast that brings you the stories from behind the front lines. Here are'm your host Matthew Gull.

Jason Fields is busy with a sick kid tonight.

A few days before Halloween in the early years of the War on Terror,

Navid Jamale took a Russian spy out to eat at Hooters.

After they finished the meal, the pair walked out of the restaurant and into an FBI sting.

Agents rushed Jamale and arrested him, but it was theater. The arrest was fake, but the Russian spy was not.

Jamale was a double agent. He's here with us today to share his story. He's an interesting man with a fascinating life and career and he's also the author of How to Catch a Russian Spy, a memoir of the years he spent as a double agent, which has just come out in paperback and includes an

epilogue titled the Russians are coming. Navid thank you so much for joining us.

All right so my first question for you is do you have any tattoos?

Yes, yes I do. It's something with the intro of hooders. Of course there has to be a tattoo, right? It just goes hand in glove.

You know, it's a great question. just goes hand in glove.

You know, it's a great question,

and the reality is you do this long enough.

I was doing this for three years.

There's, it weighs on you and there's a little bit of a psychological thing that happens.

You're living undercover and you sort of wonder at a certain point if you're ever going to

get caught. So yes, indeed I did get my code name, the FBI

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