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Rational Security

The “Don’t Cry for Me, Lawfare” Edition

Rational Security

The Lawfare Institute

Foreignpolicy, Nationalsecurity, News, Government, Politics, Middleeast

4.82K Ratings

🗓️ 29 January 2025

⏱️ 76 minutes

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Summary

This week, Scott was joined by his colleagues Kevin and Eugenia—in what is sadly her last episode before leaving Lawfare—as well as special guest Peter Harrell for a deep dive into the week’s national security news, including:

  • “Tariff or Takeoff.” The Trump administration got into what is arguably its first major international spat this week when Colombia’s refusal to accept a U.S. military flight returning migrants to that country led President Trump to threaten an array of punitive measures, from visa cut-offs to sanctions and tariffs. After Colombian President Gustavo Petro backed down, the White House was quick to claim victory. But how sustainable is Trump’s strategy? And is it really the route to restoring respect for the United States that the White House claims it is?
  • “Talk to Me When They Get To ‘Project: The Fifth Element.’” Last week, the Trump administration announced Project Stargate—an initiative not to revive ‘90s sci-fi classics, but to instead make a massive investment in the U.S. development of artificial intelligence and related technologies. But a few days later, an announcement by Chinese AI platform DeepSeek indicating it had reached comparable results at a lower cost triggered a sudden decline in the value of AI-related stocks. What do these developments tell us about the competitive dynamics surrounding AI? And how should the United States be navigating them?
  • “A Friend in Need is a Friend Shit Out of Luck.” The Trump administration has issued an across-the-board freeze of U.S. foreign assistance programs for 90 days as it reviews them for consistency with the administration’s vision of “America First” foreign policy. But what ramifications will this pause really have for U.S. foreign policy and beyond?

For object lessons, Kevin plugged the Seattle University School of Law’s Technology, Innovation Law, and Ethics Program. Eugenia got back to her roots in recommending the indie RPG video game Wildermyth, which follows a troupe of fantasy heroes from modest origins through their sunset years. Scott out-nerded Eugenia by recommending a pen-and-paper indie RPG, the physically gorgeous Thousand Year Old Vampire. And Peter kept it professional by recommending Arthur Herman’s book “Freedom’s Forge as a case study on U.S. industrial policy that may have lessons for our current historical moment.

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0:00.0

You know, and yet listeners won't know this, but you have a stark and yet aesthetically appealing new recording backdrop.

0:08.6

You're either in a very high-end museum of some sort with one's very small piece of art on the wall,

0:13.8

which appears to be a blue sticky note on an otherwise blank white wall, or you are in the state of changing your furniture and moving things around a little bit?

0:22.7

Well, both are true in a way.

0:24.8

You know, recently moved over the weekend, so everything is still in boxes.

0:29.5

But I've also decided that in lieu of art, we're just going to put sticky notes that say

0:35.3

what the art should be on the walls. So that's what you're saying.

0:39.6

It's a very tech sector. I like that. Optimized for art. That's great. Yeah. Yeah, very efficient

0:45.6

of us. Did you guys move across town? Are you in a whole different like neighborhood now?

0:49.8

No, we moved within the building. So we moved from the eighth floor to the fifth floor.

0:53.9

And it was honestly the worst move I've ever had to do. No, we moved within the building. So we moved from the eighth floor to the fifth floor,

0:58.0

and it was honestly the worst move I've ever had to do.

0:59.9

11 hours.

1:00.8

11.

1:02.7

I just, I top you.

1:03.9

I'm sorry, I top you.

1:07.9

So we moved from Helena, Montana to Miami, Florida.

1:11.6

It took our movers five weeks to make that drive.

1:16.8

When they finally arrived, what shoewear were the movers wearing?

1:24.8

Sandals. They were wearing sandals. And so every time they got up to the ninth floor to come and trolley out our stuff, they moved at a snail's pace and guess who

1:28.5

was charging by the hour? Our movers in sandals, and let me just add insult to injury, the trolley

1:35.3

had a flat wheel. So not only were they in sandals, they had this flawed trolley. It was,

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