Hi, everyone. This is Pivot from New York Magazine in the Mox Media podcast network. I'm

Scott Galway and I'm Katie Tore.

Kara is actually taking a day off today. So we're joined by the host of MSNBC's Katie

Tour Reports and author of Rough Draft, Katie Tour Katie, a couple things. A couple things.

First off, you're welcome. I know this is a big thrill for you.

I am so pleased. I thought that having two books on the bestseller list would have been

a fulfilling experience, but I didn't understand what fulfilling was until I sat down and

got to host a podcast alongside you, sir.

This is a trick we pull and that is when we ask people to co-host with me, we ask them

to co-host, but we don't tell them their co-hosting with me. That's what happened here, isn't

it?

It totally is. I mean, I thought it was going to be me and Kara and I said absolutely and

I found it was it was you when I tried to beg off, but I just couldn't do it without,

you know, burning a bridge. So here I am.

Somewhere at CAA or WME or whoever manages you, there's a meeting right now saying we need

to be more involved in Katie's decision making. This is from the Vox Media podcast network.

Credible journalist jumping the shark. By the way, if Kara is taking the day off, you

know what that means. I mean, she's getting married for like a seventh time. I we don't

buy this all vacation thing. Yeah.

Now, if she was another kid, if she was a man, she would be horrified by her. She, she

Kara gets away with a lot of stuff. Okay. So today we're going to talk about Instagram's

new look and Meta's new troubles. Also Storm clouds are gathering over Trump land. We'll

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