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The Doctor Will See You, and Stop Judging You, Now

Science Quickly

Scientific American

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4.41.4K Ratings

🗓️ 16 October 2024

⏱️ 18 minutes

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Summary

How do you stop implicit bias from getting in the way of better health? This doctor wants to make learning how to manage bias as important as learning how to suture. SHOWNOTES: Have you ever felt judged at the doctor’s office, even before you said a word? Unfortunately, that’s not uncommon, and it’s often not intentional. Like everyone, doctors have unconscious biases that can affect how they treat patients, which can pose real risks to health outcomes. In this episode, host Rachel Feltman is joined by Cristina Gonzalez, a physician and professor of medicine and population health at NYU Grossman School of Medicine, to discuss how these biases form and what can be done to address them. This podcast is part of “Health Equity Heros,” an editorially independent special report that was produced with financial support from Takeda Pharmaceuticals. E-mail us at sciencequickly@sciam.com if you have any questions, comments or ideas for stories we should cover! Discover something new everyday: subscribe to Scientific American and sign up for our daily newsletter. Science Quickly is produced by Rachel Feltman, Fonda Mwangi, Kelso Harper, Madison Goldberg and Jeff DelViscio. Shayna Posses and Aaron Shattuck fact-check our show. Our theme music was composed by Dominic Smith. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

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for AI for people. Have you ever gone to the doctor's office and felt like they were judging you, maybe even before you got around to talking to them?

0:42.8

Unfortunately, that's probably a pretty common feeling, and it's not because doctors are trying to be jerks.

0:49.9

Like all humans, doctors have unconscious biases that can lead them to make unfair judgment

0:55.2

calls.

0:56.4

But those biases can pose a serious risk to their patient's health.

1:01.4

For Scientific American Science quickly, I'm Rachel Feldman.

1:04.7

And I'm joined today by Dr. Christina Gonzalez.

1:07.9

She is a professor of medicine and population health and associate director

1:12.1

at the Institute for Excellence in Health Equity at NYU Grossman School of Medicine.

1:17.1

Christina, can I call you Christina? Yes. Thank you so much for joining us today. Thank you for

1:21.2

having me. Let's start with a basic question. What is implicit bias? So implicit bias refers to the unconscious and unintentional

1:31.3

mental associations that we make about others, often along lines of personal identity factors like

1:37.0

race or religion or gender, but they're unconscious and unintentional. How much does that tend to

1:43.1

come up in a clinical setting and why does it

1:45.4

matter? It's more likely to come up when we're pressed for time, when we're fatigued,

1:49.6

probably when we're hungry, although that doesn't exist in the literature, to my knowledge

1:53.8

anyway, when we're not really knowing the person in front of us very well and when we may have

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