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12 is never.

12 is you people versus. Welcome to Defense Divers. I'm your host Bob Mata and this is the People versus Richard Allen.

Day five. So another day at trial, it was another exciting day, action-packed. Only three witnesses, but a lot of information came out,

kind of the 10,000-foot view from high up in the sky.

Essentially, we had Sarah Karba,

eyewitness.

She is another one of the eyewitnesses

that wasn't on the trail that day but is an eyewitness who believes that she saw

bridge guy walking on 300 north which again is at County Road that runs north of the trail system.

And she was very interesting to say the least.

Her testimony was unlike any that I've ever seen, just in terms of her

demeanor. She would have been appointment television. She would have gone viral on the socials because it was just it was so

bizarre. Her personality was really, really hard for me to try to pinpoint what was so

strange to me about her but it just was. Secondly we then had the forensic pathologist come on and he of course

went through the autopsies. It was obviously devastating. You know they had the, you know,

and it's clinical. Autopsies are clinical. It's a different vibe than the vibe you get when you're looking at the crime scene photos where you have somebody that is or two people that are in the surroundings where the crime happened, you know, it's like

you feel a different way whereas you're looking at the autopsy photographs you still feel the heartache but it's easier to look look at because you're trying to understand the science behind it while the forensic pathologist is testifying.

If that makes sense.

You know, I'm not good with blood.

Like it's always been a thing with me.

It's like since childhood I'm like I get

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