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Welcome to the waves for Thursday, May 16th, the Do Real Men Recycle Edition.

I'm Hannah Rosen, a host of NPR's Invisibilia.

In the New York studios, we have June Thomas, senior managing producer of the Slate Podcast Network. Hi, June. Hey, Hannah. And Noreen Malone of New York Magazine. Hi, Noreen. Hello. Hi. So have either of you used the gender switch filter yet on Snapchat, which Noreen, I know you're excited about. Oh, I'm not excited about it. I'm interested

in it. I feel like it's some nefarious plot by the government to like have all of our facial

recognition data like uploaded via Snapchat. And we're all just giving everything away because

we are so curious about what like all of America is like gender curious where we're like, what would I look like as a man? Like what would I look like in a wig with mascara? Like humans are so easy to trick. That is genius. I love that. I didn't even think of that. That's very, very good. I've been going down a facial recognition rabbit hole lately, just looking up like facial recognition mistakes, you know, like states like Florida, they've been facial recognition forever and the wrong people get arrested or the way they do lineups with facial recognition. Anyway, it's all a little scary, but that's a good theory. That's a good theory good theory yeah i feel like whenever a tech company has

you do something fun and cool and like you know it's it's it's always a plot you find out two years later

is this where i get to be the killjoy saying this is some serious bullshit that is like

the idea that that being female means that you have like makeup and like you know you look so shiny and

doing and being a dude means you're all square jod and and hairy and like yeah sometimes some

some some ways but like yeah that's not it's it's it's it's not it's a nefarious plot to to give us

weird ideas about gender if there's nefarious plots going on, that's it. Yeah. Yeah, I was thinking that, that, like, it's very, like, in-cell view of the world. Like, man has square jaw. You know, it's like, it's this totally retrograde. While seeming to be this very, like, progressive thing where everybody just plays around with gender, it's actually exactly the opposite. And I have to admit, though, that although I've never used Snapchat and Shirley never will, I am kind of curious how it would make me look because I do think like, oh, I've always wondered what I would look like like that, and I've never wanted to actually do it. But I'm not going to. I'm not going to. My friends were sending her on photos. And it was all basically like they were women putting the woman filter on themselves. And it was like, oh, Snapchat, just wants me to wear more makeup. And actually I do look kind of good. Right, right. Yes. If it's a nefarious plot. And just to say, this is not journalistic evidence that it is. It might be from the beauty industry.

They're all in, they're all in codes. Yes. Yeah, well, that's not even one of our topics.

So let's move on to the actual topics. We are going to talk about New York Times Magazine

coverage story by Will Hilton about his cousin who tried to kill him and what his life journey

says about

American masculinity. We'll talk about the zero waste movement and whether it's women's work.

Also, we're going to talk about the abortion wars and the new creative boycotts proposed

to oppose them. And then in our Slate Plus segment, June Thomas, do you want to tell us what

we're going to discuss? In our Slate Plus segment, we'll be asking, is it sexist to criticize Constance Wu, the star, fresh off the boat, for her sort of self-pitying complaints that her series was re-upped for another season?

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