Hey, it's NPR's Book of the Day. I'm Andrew Limbaugh. Susan Glasser and Peter Baker are a couple of the

most dogged political reporters on the scene. And they're out with a new book about former President

Trump's time in the White House. It's called The Divider. But as you'll hear in this interview with

NPR's Aisha Roscoe, it's not really a Trump book, but more about the

people around him. The folks, you know, like around the emperor who said, hey, dude, these

clothes you got on look absolutely great. Killer fit. Keep going. And sure, a lot of these people

eventually left the White House, and a lot of them came out and tried to paint themselves

as the adults in the room keeping President Trump in check.

But what I appreciate about Glasser and Baker is that they treat that characterization extremely

skeptically.

As Glasser says, there are no heroes in this story.

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Our next guest spent four years chasing every story they could about then-President Donald Trump.

Everything we learned while he was in office, we printed.

Reporters Peter Baker and Susan Glasser

knew there was more to learn. In recent months, they've conducted 300 interviews delving into

Trump's White House years. They're out with a book called The Divider. It's part of a growing

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