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The Dividend Cafe

The Dividend Cafe Thursday - December 12, 2024

The Dividend Cafe

The Dividend Cafe - The Bahnsen Group

Monetary Policy, Business, Retirement Planning, Estate Planning, Dividend Growth Investing, Wealth Management, Macro Economics, Investing

4.9572 Ratings

🗓️ 12 December 2024

⏱️ 6 minutes

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Summary

Market Overview and Utility Sector Insights – December 12th

In this episode of Dividend Cafe, Brian Szytel discusses the latest market movements and economic indicators. Key topics include the Producer Price Index (PPI) numbers, which recorded a slight increase, leading to a minor sell-off in stocks and bonds. Szytel provides an analysis of initial jobless claims, emphasizing the importance of employment data. Additionally, he addresses the attractiveness of the utility sector, highlighting its evolving role from a defensive sector to one benefiting from rising demand and limited supply. The episode concludes with a focus on dividend growth and the potential for increased supply to meet higher demand in the utility sector.

00:00 Market Overview and PPI Numbers

01:18 Employment Data Insights

01:42 Mixed Market Reactions

01:58 Utility Sector Analysis

03:23 Future Outlook and Conclusion

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0:00.0

Welcome to the Dividing Cafe weekly market commentary focused on dividends in your portfolio and dividends in your understanding of economic life.

0:10.0

Welcome to Dividend Cafe. This is Thursday, December the 12th. Brian Saitel with you here on another inflation-oriented day, I guess, in the market. We got

0:22.5

PPI numbers out on the day. That's the producer price index numbers. And markets were down

0:28.1

a touch, about a half a percent across the board on stock. So the Dow was down 230 points. S&P was

0:34.6

down 0.54 percent. NASDAQ was down 0.6. And the tenure was actually up six basis points, hence the sell-off in equities and the sell-off in bonds. A PPI came out just higher than expected by about a 10th. We got a 0.4% print for the month. We were expecting a 0.3. At least that's on a headline. If you strip out, things like food

0:55.1

and energy was right in line rising at about 0.2%. So some of it have followed through from yesterday.

1:02.2

Both of the numbers on CPI and PPI are not speaking to an advancement or resurgence,

1:07.0

inflation necessarily. They're speaking to more of a normalized number, but something above

1:13.3

the 2% target on the Fed's wish list. If we stay in this high twos to low threes, with continued

1:20.2

strong growth, with continued labor market, resiliency, then I suspect that rates will move

1:25.8

lower, but again, at a much more slower and measured pace.

1:28.7

And that's what's being priced into markets right now.

1:31.1

That said, we did get initial jobless claims above consensus at 242 versus 220.

1:37.0

The employment picture is something to pay attention to as well.

1:39.9

Anything below that 250 level, I believe, is in the clear zone.

1:43.8

I think if it gets above that level, then the Fed pays more attention to it. And again, these are weekly numbers. So just keep that in mind. We get a lot of fresh reads into these job list claims numbers. So with that, we have mixed bag, I would call it. Sell off in stocks and bonds, PPI, a little bit higher than expected or

2:01.0

higher than we would like. Ideally, we'd like inflation and disinflation to ramp up. Some of the

2:05.7

policies and some of the things into next year may do just that. In the meantime, here we are.

2:10.6

There was a Q&A in there about the utility sector that I had written about quite a while ago

2:15.7

as being attractive just from the

2:19.0

backdrop of things like AI and data centers, the comment was more related to just what was once

2:24.1

a defensive and sort of interest rate sensitive sector and boring and mature has become a little

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