Before we dive into this interview, a quick note that registration for the spring cycle of my

brand new creative incubator, kiln, is only open for a few more days through this Saturday,

April 20th, to be exact. If you haven't heard me talk about it yet,

kiln is a catalyst and a sacred container and a

community for building fire and momentum around your creative ideas. And I think it's really

going to be such a fun and energizing and transformative space. So if joining is of interest to you, you can learn more and book your

spot at jkg.c.c.c.c.com slash kiln, K-I-L-N. And if it is past April 20th, by the time you

listen to this, know that there will be upcoming cycles of Kiln later this

summer, as well as in the fall. You can share your email on the Kiln website to be notified

when future cycles open. So once again, for more information, that's jkg.c.c.c.com slash kiln.

I'm Jocelyn K. Gly, and this is Hurry Slowly, a podcast about creativity and consciousness.

My guest today is Cody Cook Parrott, a person who, like me, does a lot of thinking about

creativity and consciousness and spirit and what it means to be a wholehearted person living in a

world that likes to put us in little boxes.

Be that the box of a personal brand, the box of your social media persona, the box of

quote unquote person who is productive, the box of gender, and so on and so on.

And we're going to be opening up and unpacking some of those boxes today,

talking about what it would look like to move through the world and our creative practice

with a bit more freedom and fluidity. We will be talking about how we might kind of bust

through this catch-22 of being a person who makes a living from their creations and exists

as, for better or worse, an online entity or persona, how do you make a living from

that without becoming ensnared in that identity such that you can't evolve or change in the ways

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