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The Dig: Roxanne Dunbar-Ortiz on Indigenous History

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🗓️ 28 August 2019

⏱️ 88 minutes

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Guest host Astra Taylor interviews Roxanne Dunbar-Ortiz about Indigenous people's history to reexamine all of history, the present, and our possible futures.

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This episode of The Dig is brought to you by our listeners who support us at patreon.com slash the Dig and by Verso Books which has loads of great left-wing titles, perfect for dig listeners like you.

0:16.0

One that you might like is, Our History is the Future, Standing Rock versus the Dakota Access Pipeline, and the long tradition of indigenous

0:25.9

resistance by Nick Estes. In 2016, a small protest encampment at the Standing Rock Reservation in North Dakota, initially

0:36.5

established to block construction of the Dakota Access Oil Pipeline, grew to be the largest indigenous protest movement in the 21st century.

0:47.0

Water protectors knew this battle for native sovereignty had already been fought many times before and that even

0:56.4

after the encampment was gone their anti-colonial struggle would continue. In our

1:02.4

history is the, Nick Estes traces traditions of

1:06.4

indigenous resistance that led to the NODAPL movement. Our History is the future is at once a work of history, a manifesto, and an

1:17.4

intergenerational story of resistance. I recently did a really incredible in-depth lengthy interview with Nick as well.

1:26.9

You can find it at the Dig Radio.com.

1:31.0

You should also really buy and read the book.

1:35.0

Our history is the future.

1:37.0

Standing Rock versus the Dakota Access Pipeline

1:40.0

and the long history of Indigenous Resistance by Nick Estes.

1:45.0

Out now from Jacobin magazine. My name is Daniel Denver and I'm broadcasting from Providence, Rhode Island.

2:07.0

It's often said that history is written by the victors.

2:11.0

Such accounts aren't just bad history, however, but terrible politics as well,

2:17.0

because they normalize systems of domination in the present and protect their reproduction into the future.

2:26.0

When people don't understand settler colonial history, for example, they come to see borders

2:31.8

as natural and then demonize those who cross them.

2:36.0

If, instead, we refuse to accept the conqueror's view as the normal one,

2:41.0

the wisdom of the legendary Chicano chant becomes clear.

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