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Welcome. Welcome to The Dig, a podcast from Jacobin Magazine.

My name is Daniel Denver, and I'm broadcasting from Providence, Rhode Island.

This is the second episode of Nusantara, a series on the history of Indonesia.

Nusantara is a word that refers to the vast geographic archipelago that only through centuries of colonial capitalism and the struggles against it became a nation,

one whose boundaries, identities, and purpose remain contested to this

day. This is a lengthy introduction that I think will be greatly helpful to you in understanding

the complexities of the interview that follows. In other words, I recommend that you do not fast forward. A man named

Chokro Aminoto and his wife ran a boarding house in the Javanese city of Surabaya, caring for

youth away from home pursuing their education. In the 19 teens, Jokro became the leader of the

first Indonesian mass organization,

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