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The Dig: No Human Being Is Illegal with Mae Ngai

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Socialism, History, News, Left, Jacobin, Alternative, Socialist, Politics

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🗓️ 28 March 2018

⏱️ 76 minutes

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Summary

Many Americans take the existence of so-called "illegal immigrants" for granted, whatever their opinion of the matter. But illegality isn't a property of immigrants; rather, it's a creation of positive law. And we can only understand how immigrants are declared "illegal" by the government by examining this country's too-often ignored history of racist and exclusionary immigration politics. Dan’s guest today is Mae Ngai, an historian at Columbia and the author of Impossible Subjects: Illegal Aliens and the Making of Modern America. Thanks to Verso Books. Check out The End of Policing by Alex S. Vitale versobooks.com/books/2426-the-end-of-policing and Duty Free Art: Art in the Age of Planetary Civil War by Hito Steyerl versobooks.com/books/2553-duty-free-art. And support this podcast with $ at patreon.com/TheDig!

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This episode of The Dig is brought to you by our supporters on Patreon.com

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and by Verso Books, which has loads of great left-wing titles,

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perfect for dig listeners like you.

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One new book that might be of interest is The End of Policing by Alex Vitali.

0:19.0

Recent years have seen an explosion of protest against police brutality and repression.

0:25.0

The conversation about how to respond and improve policing has focused on accountability,

0:31.0

diversity, training, and community relations.

0:35.0

Unfortunately, these reforms will not produce results.

0:39.0

The core of the problem must be addressed, and that is the nature of modern policing itself.

0:47.2

Broken Windows practices, the militarization of law enforcement, and the dramatic expansion of the role of police have created a

0:55.1

mandate for officers that must be rolled back. This book shows how the expansion of

1:01.2

police authority is inconsistent with community

1:04.0

empowerment, social justice, and even public safety.

1:07.8

Alex Vatale demonstrates how law enforcement has come to exacerbate the very problems it is supposed to solve.

1:17.0

In contrast, there are places where the robust implementation of policing alternatives, such as legalization,

1:25.2

restorative justice, and harm reduction has led to reduction in crime, spending, and

1:31.4

injustice.

1:33.5

The best solution to bad policing may be an end to policing as we know it.

1:40.1

The end of policing by Alex Fatale

1:43.1

Out now from Jacobin magazine. My name is Daniel

1:58.8

Denver and I'm broadcasting from Providence, Rhode Island.

2:03.8

On Friday, I talked to Cade Crockford

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