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Welcome to The Dig, a podcast from Jacobin Magazine.

My name is Daniel Denver, and I'm broadcasting from Providence, Rhode Island.

The green energy transition requires a vast array of inputs, copper, cobalt, rare earth elements,

and more, all of which must be mined from the earth. That includes lithium, the focus of today's

discussion with Thea Rio-Francos, the author of Extraction, The Frontiers of Green Capitalism. It's a really beautifully

written book tracing the manifold contradictions of energy politics from Chile's Atacama Desert

to B.YD's transformative innovations in China to the race to build more minds in the U.S. and Europe.

Thea, as many listeners know, is a senior advisor to the dig and my partner in all things,

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