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Patrick Boyle On Finance

The Difference Between Trading And Investing

Patrick Boyle On Finance

Patrick Boyle

Investing, Business

4.9320 Ratings

🗓️ 9 September 2021

⏱️ 13 minutes

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Send us a textIn today's podcast Patrick discusses the famous Warren Buffett quote “calling someone who trades actively in the market an investor “is like calling someone who repeatedly engages in one-night stands a romantic.” from his 1991 letter to investors.Topics covered are: what is the difference between trading and investing? Is one better than the other, and does it make sense to discourage short term trading? Patrick's Books:Statistics For The Trading Floor: https://amzn....

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0:00.0

Hello and welcome. You are listening to Patrick Boyle on Finance, a podcast exploring ideas from quantitative finance, examining events occurring in markets right now and financial history to see what lessons can be taken away, including interviews with some of the most interesting people in the world of finance. To learn more about the podcast, visit onfinance.org.

0:27.3

Over the weekend, I was browsing through Twitter and someone had posted a Warren Buffett quote,

0:33.0

where he says that calling someone who trades actively in the market an investor is like calling

0:38.4

someone who repeatedly engages in one night stands a romantic.

0:42.9

This got me thinking about why people differentiate so much between trading and investing.

0:48.7

After all, the people involved are just trying with varying degrees of success to earn the

0:53.5

best return they can on their capital.

0:56.0

If you reach for the dictionary, you'll see investing defined as buying something in the hope of making a profit or a return.

1:03.0

That's exactly what a trader does.

1:05.0

And outside of the stock market, it's what most retailers and manufacturers of goods do. You'll notice that no one

1:12.3

is encouraging Walmart to hold onto their inventory for longer than necessary. So what is the

1:18.6

difference between trading and investing? Is one better than the other? And does it make sense

1:23.8

to discourage short-term trading? Well, the online consensus appears to be that investors

1:29.8

are people who build diversified portfolios of assets and stay in them through the ups and downs

1:35.9

of the market, seeking a larger return over an extended period of time. They do this through

1:41.9

buying and holding. Traders, on the other other hand take advantage of both rising and falling markets, entering and exiting

1:50.0

positions over a shorter timeframe, hoping to earn quick returns based on short-term market moves.

1:57.0

These are clearly quite different approaches, but why is it argued that one approach is better than the other?

2:03.6

The Buffett quote even implies that there is possibly something less wholesome about short-term profits.

2:09.6

Most governments seem to agree with that point of view, and they discourage short-term trading by setting a higher tax rate on short-term capital gains versus long-term gains.

2:21.3

One of the first arguments I found comparing the two approaches put forth that investors do more analysis than traders do.

2:29.3

Long-term investors generally build DCF models and attempt to calculate the intrinsic value

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