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Sounds True.com, many voices, one journey. You're listening to Insights at the Edge. Today I speak with Deva Permal.

Deva is a classically trained singer and musician known around the world for her

devotional chanting and the inspiring music she creates with her partner, Mitten.

I saw Devapramal and Mitten perform recently in Boulder, and they both have incredible presence on stage. They transmit a kind of openness and

emptiness that is quite rare and beautiful to be with.

Deva and I spoke about her experiences, sharing music all around the world.

We talked about mantras and how they work,

and how devotional music can actually create a space which welcomes all of our emotional experience.

We also discussed and listened to three tracks from her sounds true release into silence, the meditation music of

Dava Primal on Insights at the Edge and Deva I know that we're speaking to you somewhere across the water. Where are you today?

I'm in Malam Bimbi, Australia. It's near Byron Bay, I think maybe many of your listeners are familiar with Byron Bay.

It's in the east coast of Australia.

And what is your life like? I mean, I an imagination about it that you're touring that you're at yoga centers. It all sounds very romantic and fabulous I have to say.

I mean it's been feeling really romantic and fabulous and I think it's been now

almost 18 years that we've been traveling and you know this is actually the longest we spend anywhere. This is, we're here for

three months in Australia, which also includes a tour in Australia, so we are two months

in the same place, in the same bed.

Otherwise we are, you know, a few days here, a few days there moving on and

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