Summary
Melvyn Bragg and guests discuss the history of the Devil. In the Gospel according to John he is ‘a murderer from the beginning’, ‘a liar and the father of lies’, and Dante calls him ‘the ill Worm that pierces the world’s core’. But Milton’s description of him as a powerful rebel was so attractive that William Blake declared that Milton was ‘of the Devil’s party, without knowing it’. To ordinary folk the Devil has often been regarded as a trickster, a tempter, sometimes even a figure of fun rather than of fear. How did this contradictory character come into being? Why did it take so long for him to become an established figure in Christianity? And if the Devil did not exist, would we have had to invent him? With Martin Palmer, theologian and Director of the International Consultancy on Religion, Education and Culture; Alison Rowlands, Senior Lecturer in European History at the University of Essex; David Wootton, Professor of Intellectual History at Queen Mary, University of London.
Transcript
Click on a timestamp to play from that location
| 0:00.0 | Thanks for downloading the In Our Time podcast. For more details about In Our Time and for our terms of use |
| 0:05.4 | Please go to bbc.co.uk forward slash radio for I hope you enjoy the program |
| 0:11.8 | Hello in the gospel according to John he is a murderer from the beginning a liar and the father of lies and |
| 0:19.0 | Dante calls him the ill-worm that pierces the world's core |
| 0:23.2 | But Milton's description of Satan as a powerful rebel was so attractive that William Blake declared that Milton was of the |
| 0:30.0 | Devil's Party without knowing it to order people the devil has often been regarded as a trickster attempt to sometimes even a figure of fun rather than a fear |
| 0:38.4 | How did this contradictory character come into being? |
| 0:41.0 | Why did it take so long for him to become an established figure in Christianity and how pagan is he? |
| 0:46.7 | We need to discuss the history of the devil a Martin Palmer theologian and director of the international |
| 0:52.2 | Consultancy on religion education and culture |
| 0:54.9 | Alison Rowlands senior lecturer in European history at the University of Essex and David Wooten professor of intellectual history at Queen Mary |
| 1:03.0 | University of London Martin Palmer the devil's first major parents as I understand it in the Old Testament is the book of Job |
| 1:08.8 | What role does the devil Satan have in that parable? |
| 1:11.8 | Well, it's really is only appearance and it is as a attempt up as someone who is licensed by God to |
| 1:19.0 | To test the |
| 1:20.8 | Fortitude and the belief of Job who's had a pretty easy life up until that time |
| 1:25.4 | I mean it's some it's painted in very broad colors to put it mildly he has everything |
| 1:29.9 | He's got seven sons and three daughters and thousands of cattle and thousands of sheep and |
| 1:35.2 | wonderful houses and all the rest of it and |
| 1:38.4 | The devil is asked or Satan is asked by God where he's been he said I've been wandering the earth and he says and if you see my good servant Job |
| 1:45.0 | The devil says yes, well, he's only already your good servant because basically he's got it cushy, hasn't he and God goes |
| 1:52.5 | All right, well, you know test him and so he destroys everything that Job has and |
... |
Please login to see the full transcript.
Disclaimer: The podcast and artwork embedded on this page are from BBC, and are the property of its owner and not affiliated with or endorsed by Tapesearch.
Generated transcripts are the property of BBC and are distributed freely under the Fair Use doctrine. Transcripts generated by Tapesearch are not guaranteed to be accurate.
Copyright © Tapesearch 2026.

