Welcome back to our special, The Devil, and DEI.

We recorded this on the TV show, on the first TV.

Let's go to our interview with Dr. Joe Regney, author of The Sin of Empathy.

He's awesome.

And then we'll wrap up with our Politics by Faith segment where we talk about David.

Welcome back to our special The Devil and DEI with the great Dr. Joe Rigny's a fellow theology at New St. Andrews College.

He's the associate pastor of Christchurch in Moscow, Idaho, and author of the very famous book now,

The Sin of Empathy.

What's it was an infamous, famous, controversial?

How do you like to introduce your book?

It depends on who I'm talking to.

It depends on whether they liked it or not, I suppose, right?

I'll call it the must read, sin empathy that's right the must read let's

start for the big where did this we know like the Marxist backgrounds and everything

but give me like the steel man for your average person who's like oh DEI nice

good I'm kind and loving.

What's going on in someone's brain?

Yeah, I suspect that a lot of it, the best case for it would be America has historically discriminated against certain races and ethnicities or genders.

And, you know, so historically, you know, Jim Crow, blacks were unable to get certain jobs

or unable to do certain things, navigate society because of legal and cultural oppression.

And so as a kind of remedy for that, kind of post civil rights movement, civil rights act,

kind of unleashed, you know, the attempt to kind of like right-wise that.

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