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The Deutsch Files III

Naval

Naval Ravikant

Business, Technology

4.82.4K Ratings

🗓️ 17 February 2024

⏱️ 59 minutes

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Summary

Proving something about AGI is inherently impossible 0:00

Creativity is not just mixing things together 3:05

The superiority of explanatory knowledge 7:48

Knowledge laden information is more resilient than any physical object 12:36

The problems of cloning people 15:05

Objections to Taking Children Seriously 19:23

"Do what you like" is bad advice 38:17

Creativity versus nature 41:57

Deutsch's "fanciful" conjectures 47:52

We must give up on the idea of an ultimate explanation 53:06

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0:00.0

On exactly that, the fact that the more that we summarise, what I think is a exceedingly

0:07.0

clear body of work in the fabric of reality in the beginning of charity, when nonetheless

0:11.8

you explain it to people, as Popper says, you know, it's impossible to speak in such a way as to

0:17.9

not be misunderstood. I was just reading today on Twitter, someone claiming that

0:24.2

you have said, quoting you, and they've put it in quote marks, you have apparently said,

0:29.5

Popper proves AI can't be super intelligent. And, you know, I sort of respond to, you know,

0:36.0

he never even speaks in those terms that you

0:38.7

wouldn't rely upon the authority of poverty to begin with.

0:41.0

You wouldn't say proof.

0:42.2

So there's just another example that you go out there and, as you say, these concentric

0:47.2

circles of people that you bring in to trying to understand your worldview, the misconceptions

0:53.4

compound. I don't know what you think

0:56.2

about that. Have you said anything like Popper proves that, and this was from a journalist, by the way.

1:01.2

I think a reasonably respected journalist was saying this. No, of course not. So, as you say,

1:06.9

I mean, as soon as you see a claim that somebody has proved something, then, you know, proved it from what?

1:13.9

This isn't going to be proper. It isn't going to be me. I've proved that if quantum theory is true,

1:20.4

then the Turing conjecture is true in physics. You know, that's what you can do with the proof.

1:27.1

Proving something about

1:28.0

AGI is inherently impossible if we don't have a theory of AGI, that, you know, you can't

1:34.1

prove something about something that you can't define. And anyway, proof isn't what these kind

1:39.6

of things are about. These kind of things are about argument. And Popper, I can't recall Popper specifically saying

1:46.4

anything about AI. It wasn't a thing in those days. This word proof is something we haven't talked

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