The 1960s, which was a peak of revolutionary turnover in Africa, there was a movement that went pro-democracy.

Since then, African countries, the people themselves, have seen some growth and some development,

but they've also discovered that democracy is slow.

And it's vulnerable.

When you treat everybody as an equal, then you assume that everybody has equal invested in the outcome of the state, which is not true.

Through this period of increased investment in the democratic system, it didn't work.

What do you think is one of the most important things happening in the world right now?

I think that I've been keeping my eye on the coups in Africa lately.

I think that it's an interesting shift that's happening that's been happening in the last decade or so.

It's funny because most people don't realize that, like,

Africa is a very tumultuous place.

There's always change happening,

but that the change that has happened there recently

is kind of unique because, while coos in Africa are kind of a running joke,

the frequency of coups is not funny.

Right.

And it's,

it's,

what's being highlighted lately is that

what we're seeing now,

we haven't seen since the 60s.

So it seemed like Africa was on a trend,

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