Guns are dangerous and it's like,

I feel like I have to start from there.

Like, can we agree that guns are really dangerous,

even in the best possible circumstances,

they're meant to do harm?

It's like even that most basic reality

feels like it's up for a debate.

This is Sarah Stewart Holland and this is Beth Silverce.

Thank you for joining us for Pantsuit Politics.

Hello, thank you so much for joining us for a new episode of Pantsuit Politics.

It's a new episode.

It feels like an old episode in some ways

because we are again going to be talking about gun violence again in the context

of a school shooting, a massacre of children,

and two teachers, and many more people injured,

and many lives affected forever.

But it is a conversation that must continue,

and so we will continue it today.

Before we do, we want to thank you very much for spending time with our new book.

Now what? How to move forward when we're divided about basically everything.

You're going to hear from Sarah as we go into our gun conversation

at the beginning of chapter eight, where she describes her experience

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