This is Thinking in Public, a program dedicated to intelligent conversation about frontline theological and cultural issues with the people who are shaping them.

I'm Albert Moeller, your host and president of the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary in Louisville, Kentucky.

Carl Truman is professor of biblical and theological studies at Grove City College in Pennsylvania.

He earned the Master of Arts and Classics on the University of Cambridge

and his Ph.D. and Church History from the University of Aberdeen.

Professor Truman has a distinguished and well-known career as both a teacher and an author,

having published several books ranging from books on Reformation Theology and History

to biographies on figures such as John Owen and Martin Luther. He's the author of the

widely esteemed book, The Rise and Triumph of the Modern Self, as well as another book to

change all worlds. It's his most recent book, The Desecration of Man, How the Rejection of God

degrades Our Humanity,

that is the topic of our conversation today.

Carl Truman, welcome to thinking in public.

It's great to be here.

Thanks for having me on.

Oh, just glad to do so.

And I feel like we could pick up at just about any place and have a fantastic conversation.

But this is about your new book, The Desecration of

Man. Tell me about that title, because I think I hear something there. And what I hear is

kind of an updating of the abolition of man. Yes, there was definitely a little homage to C.S. Lewis.

Not that I would claim that my book stands on the same plain as

his at all, but I think the abolition of man is one of those texts that is more true now

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