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Hi, everybody. Welcome to or back to the Dennis Prager show.

And I before I introduce my guest, which is I want to make sure he's on, first of all,

that all is good. Ben, how are you on? I am. Okay, great. Okay, so forgive me,

but I'm going to give a slightly lengthy or introduction that you usually get.

I will, of course, tell everybody who you are, but I want you to know, and I want,

my listeners certainly would know this, but I want you to know that I respect you greatly

for coming on. We differ on the issue about which you wrote a book.

But at the same time, you should know that I have talked to many people I differ with,

and I have never yielded any of them. And more important, my motto on this show, and I've been

doing this for over 30 years, is I prefer clarity to agreement. So where is it?

It is wonderful to clarify where people differ. I know this is hard to win. I want to clarify

where we differ. So in that light, again, thank you for coming on. I listened by the way to

your entire interview with Charlie Sykes. So I wanted to get more background on you.

The book that Ben Howe wrote is the immoral majority. The subtitle will tell you, of course,

where he's coming from. Why evangelicals chose political power over Christian values.

Ben Howe, I just might add, is a writer, producer, filmmaker, founder of the Howe,

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