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Brian Kilmeade Show

"The Demons Inside Him": Karl Rove on Swalwell, Gonzales Scandals

Brian Kilmeade Show

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4.12K Ratings

🗓️ 15 April 2026

⏱️ 15 minutes

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Summary

Karl Rove joins the Brian Kilmeade Show to pull back the curtain on the scandals rocking Capitol Hill. Rove previews his latest Wall Street Journal column, contrasting the "performance art" of Rep. Eric Swalwell with the tragic downfall of Rep. Tony Gonzales. Plus, Rove sounds the alarm on "Democratic Socialists" and the exodus of businesses from New York to states like Texas and Florida. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

But first, let's bring in Carl Rowe, former deputy chief of staff, serve advisor to President

0:04.0

George W. Bush, Fox News contributor. Carl, welcome back. Thanks for having me.

0:08.7

Hey, Carl, I mean, even for you and everything you've experienced in Washington, do you ever

0:13.9

remember a situation where we're looking at a Democratic congresswoman, $5 million at COVID-Aid,

0:19.7

Ethics Committee investigates guilty.

0:22.0

And then we have a situation with the congressman from Texas who I always enjoyed interviewing

0:27.7

him, made a bad personal decision, tragedy. The woman he allegedly had an affair with kills

0:33.8

herself. So he is resigning. And then Eric Swalwell, somebody who made his living

0:39.1

going after Trump now as five separate women and criminal investigations in Los Angeles and New York

0:45.4

City. That's a lot. Yeah, yeah. In fact, my column tomorrow for the Wall Street Journal is about

0:51.6

this very subject. It starts with Swalwell, who, you know, was not a serious legislator.

0:59.1

This guy was a performance artist, masquerading as a legislator.

1:02.1

And all he cared about was getting more clicks and more, you know, MSNBC, MSN now interviews,

1:10.2

and repeats of his repostings of his, of his various

1:14.4

sundry social media items, he was a terrible human being.

1:18.7

And he started this off and by, you know, first withdrawing from the governor's race in California,

1:25.6

good for him.

1:26.6

You know, that was going nowhere. Even though he was leading with 12, you know, leading the Democratic field with 12 percent, it wasn't going to go any further. And then he resigned. And then it, that gave Tony Gonzalez a chance to sort of get in the slipstream and resign as well. I got to tell you, that hurts me enormously. I knew him. He was my friend. We hosted, and I'm sitting here in my,

1:45.4

my home, we hosted fundraisers for him here. I asked friends to contribute to him. He was a serious

1:50.7

legislator. It was a great American story. You know, grew up in modest circumstances,

1:55.4

joins the Navy, becomes a chief petty officer, gets made a congressional fellow, a Navy congressional

2:00.7

fellow assigned to the office of

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