A couple nights ago, we were talking about an app on Timcast, IRL. It's called like

Protector or something. And it was an Uber for private security.

I actually don't mind the idea. I guess they're targeting the wealthy areas of Los Angeles,

namely like, I don't know, Malibu and Brentwood and stuff like this. But wealthy people are

becoming increasingly concerned about the escalating crime in this country. And I think it was either

maybe Mary was making the joke that soon we're going to have to have these big private security fences and apps for security. And I think it was either maybe Mary was making the joke that soon we're

going to have to have these big private security fences and apps for security. And I was like,

you mean like in South Africa? To which surge nods and laughs because that's where he's from.

And so this subject, it's well known that in South Africa there's serious crime. There's private

security as an attempted solution to this, that people have gates and security inside of their own homes, because even after your house gets broken into, you've got to go flee somewhere else or sleep in a secure cage. Now, why is all this happening? What's going on in South Africa? And are the stories and rumors we hear true? That's the conversation we're gonna be having.

We have a couple of guests, but why don't we start with, good sir, you can go first. Who are you and what do you do? Thank you, Tim. It's great to be on the show. Thank you for having me a second time, and it's great to be here in studio. I'm Arnansdruz, or Ernst, you could say. I live in South Africa, I live in Pretoria,

and I am an author.

I'm an author, I wrote the book,

Kiel de Bua, which is about the farm killings in South Africa. I also recently started a think tank

and an advocacy group called Lex Libertas. It's a new initiative. And it's aimed at it publishes

research about developments in South Africa,

but also it advocates for an alternative political dispensation in South Africa.

And our argument is that the only way to really deal with the crisis in South Africa at the

moment is to work towards decentralizing the political system so that the central

government has less power.

And there's much more to be said

about that. Right on. That's an intro. We're also joined by the intrepid Laura Logan. Thank you.

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