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Zone 7 with Sheryl McCollum

The Delphi Murders | "Shadow of the Bridge" with Áine Cain & Kevin Greenlee

Zone 7 with Sheryl McCollum

iHeartPodcasts and CrimeOnline

True Crime

4.4696 Ratings

🗓️ 1 October 2025

⏱️ 38 minutes

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Summary

In February 2017, teenagers Liberty German and Abigail Williams were murdered while walking in the woods near Delphi, Indiana.

The next day, their bodies were discovered, and investigators revealed that Liberty had recorded a brief video of the suspect ordering the girls to “go down the hill.”

After years of speculation, dead ends, and online conspiracy theories, the 2022 arrest of local resident Richard Allen threw the case into an even deeper firestorm of controversy.

Guest Bio and Links:

Áine Cain and Kevin Greenlee

Journalist Áine Cain and attorney Kevin Greenlee are the husband-and-wife team behind The Murder Sheet, an investigative true-crime podcast that made national news with its reporting on the Delphi case.

They recently co-authored "Shadow of the Bridge," the first book to chronicle the murders of Liberty German and Abigail Williams and the investigation that followed.

The Murder Sheet Podcast

Shadow of the Bridge: The Delphi Murders and the Dark Side of the American Heartland

Missed their first Zone 7 episode? Behind the Scenes of the Delphi Trial: Haunting Truths, Unbreakable Community, and Justice in Focus

In this episode of Zone 7, Sheryl McCollum is joined once again by journalist Áine Cain and attorney Kevin Greenlee, the duo behind The Murder Sheet podcast, to talk about their book, "Shadow of the Bridge," and what it took to cover the Delphi case.

They describe the cramped courtroom and strict no reentry policy, the grind of working 17- to 18-hour days under a gag order, and how they decided what information to include in their book.

They also explain why they approach the “Odinism” claims with a critical, evidence-based lens, and what it was like to finally reveal information the jury, and the public never saw.

Highlights:

  • (0:00) Sheryl welcomes guests Áine Cain and Kevin Greenlee to Zone 7 to talk about Shadow of the Bridge
  • (1:45) Áine describes the courtroom reality: small room, high tensions, the scramble for seats, and the no reentry rule
  • (8:30) Moving for the trial, 17- to 18-hours days, and typing notes late into the night
  • (11:00) Writing Shadow of the Bridge: swapping drafts, finding the balance, and the significance of the cover photo and title
  • (18:15) "The way we viewed Odinism is you can’t tell the story without getting into it on some level” — balancing coverage of Richard Allen’s defense strategy
  • (24:00 Gentle outreach and centering Abby and Libby
  • (25:45) Vetting information and sorting the relevant from the noise
  • (32:30) Favorite parts, hardest chapters, and Sheryl’s closing words

 

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Sheryl “Mac” McCollum is an Emmy Award-winning CSI, a writer for CrimeOnline, forensic and crime scene expert for Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, and co-author of the textbook Cold Case: Pathways to Justice. She is the founder and director of the Cold Case Investigative Research Institute, a national collaboration that advances techniques for solving cold cases and assists families and law enforcement with unsolved homicides, missing persons, and kidnappings.

 

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Transcript

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0:00.0

This is an IHeart podcast.

0:11.8

Y'all know them.

0:14.1

Y'all have followed them.

0:15.9

Lord knows y'all followed them now.

0:18.4

Tonight we are going to be talking to Anya Kane and Kevin Greenlee from murder sheets.

0:25.6

Y'all know who I'm talking about?

0:27.1

Because they have done something.

0:30.9

I'm not even sure I know a word because I ain't a writer.

0:34.4

They are now.

0:36.1

And it is kind of knocking me out because they have never written a book before, but not

0:43.8

only if they've done it, they've done it magnificently, and they've done it as a couple.

0:51.0

Y'all know good and well, sometimes it is hard to pick a Christmas tree with a spouse much less

0:57.1

aside a book title how the chapters are going to go how the story's going to unfold that's hard

1:03.4

that's difficult work right there so let's bring them in and figure out how they got this deal done

1:10.1

Kevin Anya how are you? Welcome, welcome,

1:14.0

welcome, welcome back to Zone 7. We are so excited to be here and thank you so much for having us.

1:19.3

We really appreciate it. Love the work you do and it's an honor. I just want to set the record

1:24.5

straight if people, for some reason, did not hear the first episode y'all did with me

1:31.3

here on Zone 7. So I just want to tell people. Let's talk about your book, Shadow of the Bridge.

1:38.9

And then you have a subtitle that I think is so powerful, The Delphi Murders, A Dark Side of the American Heartland.

1:47.6

You couldn't have hit that more accurate.

1:50.4

When this trial was going on, some of the stuff y'all heard about was absolutely accurate.

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