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All right, you ready to go?

So what do you need?

Yes, please, thank you.

I'm just going to check on two people coming to here.

We've waited a long time for this trip to the North Coast of New South Wales.

A couple of days ago, I got a call I'd been desperate to get for months.

Do you think he's evil?

I genuinely think for someone to

have gone about life the way that he has for so many decades now, doing what he does,

being as calculating and manipulative as he is.

Is that not the definition of evil?

This is Jane.

That's not her real name, but a pseudonym we've given her to protect her identity.

She's 23 and we are sitting in her house, a converted garage,

neither beach as mosquitoes nip at our ears.

It's the eve of Hamish's 49th birthday.

You'll recall from episode four that as a teenager she was Jack Rosen's girlfriend.

She lived on the Beck Rosen's roof and looked up to Beck as her mother.

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