I'm Bill Moyers. It's good to have your ear. This week on Moyers & Company,

longtime insider Mike Gloffgren on what he calls the big story of our times, the deep state.

It is, I would say, the red thread that runs through the history of the last three decades.

It's how we had deregulation, financialization of the

economy, the Wall Street bust, the erosion of our civil liberties, and perpetual war.

Thanks for joining us. If you've read the espionage novels of John La Coray, you know that

no other writer today

has so brilliantly evoked the subterranean workings of government, perhaps because he himself

was once a British spy. Le Coray has a name for that invisible labyrinth of power. He calls

it the deep state. And now, an American you're about to meet in this broadcast has

seized on that concept to describe the forces he says are controlling our government, no matter

the party in power. But Mike Gloffgren's no intelligence agent, although he had a top-secret security

clearance. He's a numbers man, a congressional staff member for 28 years with the powerful House

and Senate budget committees.

Over the years, as he crunched those numbers, he realized they didn't add up.

Instead, they led him to America's own deep state, where elected and unelected figures collude to protect and serve

powerful vested interests. Mike Lofgren was so disgusted, he not only left Capitol Hill,

he left the Republican Party and wrote this book, The Party is over, how Republicans went

crazy, Democrats became useless, and the middle class got shafted.

Now at our request and exclusively for Bill Moyers.com, he has written, Anatomy of the Deep State.

You'll want to read it as soon as we finish this conversation.

Mike Lofgren, welcome.

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