Hello and welcome back to the show. I am Patrick. I'm here as always with Ben. You're joined by

special guest today, Cal Newport. How are you, Cal? I'm doing fine. They go to have me on.

Oh man, thank you. For folks who don't know you and your work, we do mention you relatively frequently.

Your books are some of the highest that we recommend.

But you're the author of Deep Work, Digital Minimalism, A World Without Email, Slow Productivity,

amongst some others.

You are also a full professor of computer science at Georgetown University.

And you are the host of the Deep Questions podcast where you answer questions and share real world

implementation case studies about the subjects you often cover, which is technology's impact on society,

work, productivity, and cultivating a deep life. So I'm excited to have this chat with you. I think

we're going to aim to talk through some of the subjects that Ben and I often talk about here.

And I want to start with health.

Ben and I talk about health.

I think a lot of people have a certain definition of health.

And it's relatively narrow.

It's often a lack of disease or it's something aesthetic, right?

It's a certain look, like you look fit or you don't look fit.

But Ben and I talk about it through the lens of something we call the five factors of health,

which are the five factors that we believe have the most impact on living a life of health.

And those are how we train, how we think, how we eat, how we rest or sleep,

and then how we connect with ourselves and others.

And I think where I wanted to start with you, Cal, I don't know that a lot of people consider

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