This is the Jocco debrief podcast episode 14 with Dave Burke and me, Jocco Willink.

And this is a little bit of behind the scenes of what we do at echelon front.

At echelon front, our leadership consultancy, we work with a wide range of companies,

and we solve their problems through leadership.

And as a team, we often debrief the things that are unfolding inside these companies

as we uncover problems and we get them solved.

And sometimes I think it'd be great to share these debriefs with everyone, so everyone gets to learn.

So here we go, Dave's with me today.

Dave, let's debrief. What do you got?

This is actually, I kind of cherry-picked this one because I wanted to actually wanted you to be talking about it a little bit.

This is an unanswered question from EF Online, or a question that didn't get answered initially during one of the online sessions that we had.

And the reason I wanted to talk about this is that a version of this question gets answered, or gets asked all the time.

And the question was simply, how do you consistently check your ego?

And not only is this, not only is there a version of this that gets asked regularly, the connection to ego, I would say, sits in almost every question we get, or every problem we get,

there is a connection to ego inside there.

Because oftentimes when we're working with clients and we are then working then individually with someone inside a company,

the questions will be, hey, I have a problem with this person, or I have an issue with this team, or my boss, or my subordinates,

and there's components of friction inside the organization that they're trying to solve.

And listen, they come wanting to solve these problems.

These are people that are believing the principles and they want to get better leaders.

But as you peel back, most of these questions, ego is almost always sitting inside there.

Sometimes it's right on top and it's this big giant thing.

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