If you go deep in the ocean, where sunlight doesn't reach, sitting on the seabed floor

are nodules that look like unassuming rocks.

But those grayish clusters are actually filled with vital metals like cobalt, nickel,

and copper.

Materials needed in the push for more electric cars.

And even some governments are eager to begin deep sea mining for the metals, saying it

would aid in the shift to a greenery economy.

Others argue this mining could wreak havoc on marine life we still know little about.

Two weeks ago, international talks about regulating deep sea mining ended without any rules set

in place.

So, where does that leave the future of the seabed?

And how harmful is the extraction of these metals?

We'll get into those questions in a whole lot more after the break.

I'm Jen White.

You're listening to the one-a-podcast where we get to the heart of the story.

We'll be back with more in just a moment.

Let's welcome our guests.

Joining us is Matthew Gianni.

He's the co-founder and political and policy advisor at the Deep Sea Conservation Coalition.

That's a non-governmental environmental group.

And Daniel Ackerman is with us.

He's a journalist covering climate and mining.

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