Yeah, so great of you to come out. I know I was on a panel with you at Freedom Fest,

along with John Cleese's daughter, which was, she has a name. Camilla. But yeah.

I just know her as John Cleese's daughter, but that was pretty cool. That was fun. Yeah, we enjoyed I enjoyed what you said to the audience, and I feel like you were like ribbing the audience a little bit, too, which was fun.

Yeah, there was one point

I think uh I don't forget one of the jokes was it had something to do with age of consent

something like that like oh you wacky libertarians yeah yeah there's a there's definitely you know

a booth in the back you know where a guy arguing you know yeah lower it so I missed

re-impressed I was out of town that week.

But so I like that you ribbed the audience a little bit because I know like in comedy, I think that's always kind of one of my like instincts is to not just pander to the crowd. It's like whenever you find where their values are or what they believe in, it's like you want to go after that a little bit. even at a place like Freedom Fest, it's like you want to make them the target or go after what they hold sacred a little bit. Yeah, I think for comedians, we're often, we often

are so like self-deprecating, you know, and it's like, look, if I can make fun of myself,

I mean, you guys got to be able to take a joke about yourself, too.

Yeah.

And I think that's what's one of the, I mean, you have a whole book here called That Joke Isn't Funny Anymore on the Death and Rebirth of Comedy. And I started reading. It's a great book. Everyone should check it out. but know, a lot of it talks about the differences in political

comedy nowadays. And I think the sort of echo chamber thing contributes to that when you're just either

a conservative comedian doing it to a conservative crowd or a liberal comedian repeating the jokes to

a liberal crowd. There's, it's very hard to do humor in that sort of context, I think.

Well, I think it's sort of, you know, what are you doing, you know, on stage?

Is it, you know, are you just regurgitating what your audience already believes because you want that kind of acceptance?

Or are you out to say something that is going to surprise them and, you know, hopefully elicit the laugh?

You know, I think, you know, we need to figure out what our goals are when we go up on stage because I still want to make people laugh, you know.

So do you think is comedy dead?

I don't think comedy's dead.

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