something you'd met at a party one time and thought to yourself, man, that guy's going somewhere.

He's smart. He's telegenic. He's ambitious. He's going to be running a presidential campaign

in the next 10 years. No question. And then you find out he's dead, murdered, not that far from where

I live here in DC. So I felt it on that personal level. But then when this local news story, this

private family matter gets transformed into a political story, a viral meme, a hashtag, a billion

threads on Reddit and 4chan, that's when the switch happened for me. That is when I felt these two

separate worlds of mine collide. The personal, the day job, and I thought, I just have to know what

the heck is going on here. Hello and welcome to Wise is happening with me, your host, Chris Hayes.

You know, I think one of the central experiences of our age is a sense of constant vertigo and

dislocation as regards information about the world. First of all, there's just a lot of it. There's

obviously too much of it to pay attention to. There's also a lot of things that are just wrong.

Floating around. It's very hard to figure out what's wrong and what's right. Sometimes a

tweet will go viral and it will turn out to be like satire or Photoshopped or some random person

like took something wildly out of context. And then at a bigger level, you see entire media platforms

devoted to untrue this, whether that's about the election lie or about vaccine efficacy.

And I mean, look, it's easy to get overly present test about this. It's always hard to separate

fact from fiction and things that are true from things that are not. The world is complicated.

And there's all kinds of stuff like I love when there's like some big dispute in some country.

You don't follow on the like you try to get into it. It's like was the trial against Lula in

Brazil like actually corrupt or like did he do the thing? And it's like well good luck trying

to figure that out. Just come beaming in from 30,000 feet, particularly when you, you know, arrive

in very contested debates. That said, if you were to ask me what's the moment where it felt like we

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