Wars take a terrible toll whether 10,000 people are caught up in them or 10 million. But numbers can help us comprehend the scale of the violence. If we are understandably concerned about the two million

civilians displaced in Gaza and the 3.7 million in Ukraine, we should also be worried about

the welfare of civilians in Sudan, where the UN says more than 11 million people have been

forced from their homes by violence. From KERA in Dallas, this is think. I'm Chris Boyd.

Sudan Civil War has taken as many as 15,000 lives in just over a year of conflict between

rival militant groups, left 25 million in need of emergency assistance, and set off what has been

called the world's largest hunger crisis. We wanted to get up to speed on what's happening and what might be done to quell the violence

and provide relief to so many people who just want to safely return home.

So we have invited Dr. Comfort Arrow as our guest.

She is president and CEO of the Crisis Group, which is a non-profit, non-governmental organization that works to prevent

and resolve deadly conflict around the world. She co-wrote an article for Foreign Affairs

magazine headlined Sudan and the New Age of Conflict. Comfort, welcome to think.

Thank you for having me. It's really nice to be on the show. So a number of countries have suspended embassy operations in Sudan's capital.

The airport there has been closed.

What is life like for civilians in Khartoum specifically?

It's a good question.

The war there has been intensified now since April 2023. This is the first time that we have seen war brought into the capital, Sudan. There's a sense of a siege mentality now in the capital with civilians at the crossfire, limited access to food,

to water, many having to escape and flee. At the top of your introduction, you talked about

Sudan being the largest hunger crisis, and I think this is very much what defines cartoon today.

We've seen sudden escalation of street fighting in cartoon that has left many citizens unprepared

because they never expected the country's war to come into the capital in this way.

I mean, you know, Sudan has known years of war and instability, but we've never seen this kind of

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