Hi everyone, this is Katia, executive producer of On the Media.

I said to Michael and Brooke last week, let's gather Wednesday morning and talk about our immediate reflections and, you know, thoughts following the election Tuesday night.

We did the same in 2016. It was a, it was an experiment for us. I wanted to kind of recreate that. And we wondered what

we were going to talk about, probably something about the Trump campaign accusing states

of stealing votes or rigging the election, maybe something about how Fox News and others were

spreading conspiracy theories. We did not expect this outcome.

So the following conversation happened with no preps.

It's just us discussing the role of the media now

and in the last eight years

and what we should do on the show this week.

Take a listen.

All right, I'm setting up my Pro Tools.

Let's wait for Eloise and Cat to join.

What time did you go to sleep?

I went to sleep at a reasonable hour.

I saw the writing on the wall, and I was tired, and I figured there was nothing that couldn't wait until the morning.

What about you?

Well, we stayed up till two, but I just couldn't hang around for Trump.

I knew I would hear it the next day or hear about it.

But we shouldn't say anything, really.

We're supposed to be fresh and raw well wow let's not talk

unless we're ready to record oh right we're recording we're recording don't you are okay so cat

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