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All right, guys, there was a really interesting and, well, frankly, bizarre conversation that went on a few days ago between Dave Rubin and Bishop Barron. You're

probably familiar with both of these individuals. But in case you aren't, Dave Rubin is this

guy who used to be a very progressive comedian. He was on the young Turks. He was on left-wing

talk radio. And over time, he decided that he didn't like wokeness.

He didn't like the direction that the left was going.

And he became this figure that embodied a kind of movement heading into 2015, 2016, that was talking a lot about free speech, the problems of woke cancellation, the inability of

people to talk, make fun of things, have fun anymore, the way that education and all these

other areas, entertainment were being dominated by wokeness and leftism.

And at this time, he was far from alone.

There was the emergence of what was eventually labeled by Barry Weiss as the intellectual dark web,

which is like this collection of mostly leftists, but a few kind of conservatives.

You had Joe Rogan as kind of the host that was bringing these people on.

And you had Jordan Peterson,

who was a big one. You had Sam Harris. You had the Weinstein brothers, Brett and Eric. You had,

of course, Dave Rubin. And all of these people were coming out, Ben Shapiro. They were coming out

against this kind of left-wing

woke dominance that we were seeing in the culture, the hysteria that seemed to be kind of sweeping

the nation. And Dave Rubin's show that he started after kind of leaving the young Turks and

striking out on his own on YouTube became a hub for these different kind of anti-woke

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