The Data Starmer REALLY Doesn’t Want You To See
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Owen Jones
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🗓️ 15 May 2026
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With Steve Akehurst, director of Persuasion UK.
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| 0:00.0 | So, Labour are facing an existential crisis. That's not a hyperbole and that's not, you know, |
| 0:04.7 | me just being a critic because the people at the top of the Labour Party think it's facing |
| 0:08.5 | an existential crisis. One Labour MP said Labour was on its deathbed. Quite the jump from winning |
| 0:14.8 | a landslide victory two years ago, albeit on 33.7% of the vote on the lowest turnout in the history of British |
| 0:23.0 | democracy when you take into account all potential voters. What the hell has happened? Well, |
| 0:28.6 | you see, a lot of the coverage right now is very personality driven, up, who's up, who's down, |
| 0:32.6 | all the rest of it. We're going to take a break from that. And we're going to actually look at |
| 0:35.7 | what the evidence actually shows about why Labor actually in the mess they're in. |
| 0:40.8 | And we've got an impartial poster to do that. |
| 0:43.6 | So you don't have to listen to my dogma. |
| 0:47.2 | Steve Acres from Persuasion UK, he's done, for one thing, a fascinating breakdown of what the hell happened in the local lectures. |
| 0:55.3 | Why are people abandoning labour? Why have they left the Labour Party? Who are they going to? |
| 1:01.4 | Not just England, but obviously Wales and Scotland. And, you know, what does it all mean? |
| 1:06.4 | Anyway, hey, great to see, Steve. How you doing? Hi, thanks having me on. Big, big honor. So, all right, let's just start, shall we, with what the hell happened in the local elections. |
| 1:17.1 | So we've got this interesting chart here. So this is what happened for people who voted, how they voted in the general lecture of 2024, and then how they voted in the local lecture, |
| 1:27.9 | 2026, two years later on. |
| 1:31.0 | And it's quite striking because it shows, for example, |
| 1:34.9 | that with the conservatives, |
| 1:36.6 | 38% of people who voted for the conservatives |
| 1:38.7 | in 2024 stayed with the conservatives. |
| 1:42.6 | So it's not great retention. |
| 1:46.5 | And then another 7%, for example, went to the Lib Dems, 28% went to reform, 20% didn't vote. A tiny slither voted for |
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