Hello and welcome to political thinking. A populist right-winger defeats an incumbent government of the centre-left that claims to speak for working people.

Hmm. Donald Trump's success this week, it may be a warning to Kirstama and the Labour Party,

coming as it does, just days after the defining moment in the life of this new Labour government,

the budget. My guest on political thinking is the Chancellor's number two.

The man who has to make the sums add up, the Chief Secretary to the Treasury, Darren Jones.

He's a man who's gone in the space of less than a year from being Parliament's toughest inquisitor as chair of the business.

Select committee to one of the most significant roles in this new government.

Darren Jones, welcome to political thinking.

Hello, great to be here.

We have to start with the biggest news, not just of this week, but arguably of the year and years to come.

The election of Donald Trump.

Did you stay up for the results?

We are there with the popcorn and the pop tarts?

Do you know, no, I didn't, actually.

I mean, in previous elections, I probably would have done.

But I now have three children, the school run. It was the week after the budget.

And I just thought, I'm going to go to bed and get a good night's sleep and see where we are in the morning.

So you wake up, you look at your phone or I hope you switch on the today program.

You hear the results. and your reaction is? Well, I was, you know, I was surprised that President-elect Trump won all of the seven

seats in play, sorry, in the way that he did.

I mean, you often expect, based on the narrative that was coming out of America, that it

might have taken a few days to kind of really figure out the result, but it was a very

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