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The Dr. Phil Podcast

The Dark Side of the NSA? Tulsi Gabbard Takes a Stand | The Real Story REAL Story with Dr. Phil

The Dr. Phil Podcast

Dr. Phil McGraw

Mental Health, Self-improvement, Society & Culture, Education, Health & Fitness

4.413.2K Ratings

🗓️ 13 May 2025

⏱️ 7 minutes

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Summary

Tulsi Gabbard made headlines after firing over 100 intelligence officers for engaging in explicit sexual conversations on a secure NSA chat tool—allegedly turned into a fetish chatroom by transgender agents. In this explosive episode, Dr. Phil digs into the scandal, the politicization of intelligence, and the culture behind the headlines. What’s really going on inside America’s most secretive agencies?

Transcript

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0:00.0

Back in February, Tulsi Gabbard, who heads national intelligence, fired more than 100 intelligence officers from 15 agencies for having explicit sexual conversations on an NSA chat tool.

0:14.8

The weaponization, politicization of the intelligence community that's gone on for far too long.

0:19.1

Now, this is not the news. This is my opinion about the news.

0:22.7

I'm going to give you what I think is the real story.

0:28.4

So you hear all of this and think, why are they doing this at work?

0:31.5

Well, the NSA, of course, stands for National Security Agency.

0:36.1

That chat tool is for sensitive security information.

0:40.3

Instead, a cult of male to female transgender agents turned it into a secret sex chat room

0:49.3

with discussions of genital surgeries, trans fetishes, and sexual exploits.

0:56.0

What is really just an egregious violation of trust, what to speak of, like,

1:00.0

basic rules and standards around professionalism, I put out a directive today that they all

1:05.8

will be terminated and their security clearances will be revoked.

1:10.4

Now, it sounds like a bad B movie, but you can't make this up.

1:15.6

Investigative journalist Chris Rufo of City Journal broke the story, and what he's

1:22.2

sharing now is beyond disturbing.

1:24.4

In my opinion, it's criminal.

1:31.1

An NSA whistleblower told Rufo that a dangerous gender ideology ran rampant at the NSA. And they were brazen in doing this because when was

1:38.2

the last time anyone was really held accountable? Certainly not over the last four years.

1:43.1

Certainly not over the last 10, maybe 20 years.

1:46.2

These cult leaders who we trusted to keep America safe, forced their coworkers to spend hours

1:54.6

sometime days in training sessions about privilege and how to speak gender neutral.

2:02.2

The whistleblower said some agents wouldn't even file reports about transgender adversaries

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