Meritocracy is at the heart of what it means to be American. You've heard me say it many times. We need to put the merit back into America.

That's why I'm a chief proponent of eliminating affirmative action in America. That's something that a U.S.

president can do. I think that when it comes to college admissions,

that's something that the Supreme Court is likely to do later this year.

And I think that's going to be a good thing for the country, where people know when they look to their left and look to their right in a college

classroom for that matter in the workplace that they know the person who got that seat got it because they were the

best person for that job, the best person for that spot without say race-based preferences entering into that game.

And so that's something that's near and dear to my heart.

I intend to end race-based affirmative action, and that's part of a

pro-merit campaign in America.

But race-based affirmative action isn't the only impediment to merit in America either.

We have corruption in every one of our institutions.

Starting with the federal government, by the way,

civil service protections that say you can't be fired even if you're doing a bad job.

You know what if you can't fire somebody that means they don't work for you it actually means you work for them.

It's anti meritocratic where the people who elect to run the government don't run the government.

Anti meritocratic strains pervade American life.

But there's one area where we've seen the rise of an anti meritocratic cancer too, and rise of a certain form of corruption that nobody else

had really taken on in quite the way that my guest today had in his tenure as a prosecutor.

I'm joined today by Andrew Lelling,

who was the main person, the US attorney out of Boston,

who led actually the national case,

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