The Dark History of the Information Age
The Lawfare Podcast
The Lawfare Institute
4.7 • 6.4K Ratings
🗓️ 23 May 2023
⏱️ 61 minutes
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Summary
Hacking and cybersecurity are evergreen issues, in the news and on Lawfare. Scott Shapiro, the Charles F. Southmayd Professor of Law and Professor of Philosophy at Yale Law School, has a new book on how and why hacking works and what to do about it, called “Fancy Bear Goes Phishing: The Dark History of the Information Age, in Five Extraordinary Hacks.”
Scott joined Jack Goldsmith to talk about how his pre-law-professor obsession with computers combined with his recent work in international law led him to write the book. They also discussed the lessons that the five hacks discussed in the book teach, including the limits of technology and solving cybersecurity problems, the importance of the human dimension to cybersecurity, and why we shouldn't be panicked about the state of cyber insecurity.
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| 0:22.0 | rational security, chatter, law fair no bull, and the aftermath. |
| 0:29.0 | And then the question becomes not why is the internet insecure, |
| 0:37.0 | but why are our endpoint so insecure? |
| 0:39.0 | Why are our operating system so insecure? |
| 0:43.0 | Why are our computer so insecure? |
| 0:45.0 | And so that's what I investigated. |
| 0:47.0 | Why was UNIX, which was the operating system, used at the time on the internet? |
| 0:54.0 | Why was it so insecure? |
| 0:56.0 | And here comes the upcode explanation, which is that the UNIX was created for researchers |
| 1:04.0 | to share their stuff, not to prevent people from stealing them. |
| 1:08.0 | So I think the story of the Morris worm, not only I think is that kind of an engaging story about |
| 1:14.0 | like a kid who accidentally crashes the internet, but also the story of what kinds of |
| 1:22.0 | what kinds of what's the design principle of the internet and what kinds of cultural practices |
| 1:27.0 | led to the creation of insecure endpoints. |
| 1:31.0 | I'm Jack Goldsmith and this is the LawFair podcast, May 23rd, 2023. |
| 1:38.0 | Hacking and cyber security are evergreen issues in the news and on LawFair. |
| 1:43.0 | Scott Shapiro, a professor of law and philosophy at Yale University, |
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