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The Ranked Choice Voting folks will push their system with that talking point,

oh, this might save you money. And as soon as they get it adopted anywhere, they turn around and say,

oh, well, now you need to spend millions of dollars on an education campaign so that voters actually understand this system.

This is your host, Scott Bertram, and that's Trent England, co-author of the upcoming book, The Case Against Ranked Choice Voting.

We'll talk in depth with Trent about that later on in the show.

What is ranked choice voting, and why does he say it is a bad idea?

First, we're joined by Dr. David Whelan.

He is Associate Vice President for Curriculum and Professor of English at Hillsdale College.

Dr. Whelan, thanks for joining us.

Happy to be here, Scott.

We talk with you about a piece you wrote in the Washington Examiner a while ago.

Why is good character hard to find?

No one knows what it means.

We'll try to help people through the conversation today.

What do we mean generally when we talk about good character or virtue, are those the same things?

They're largely the same, yes. Now, sometimes good character can be used to mean something

more perhaps polished and refined. You might hear someone say, this man or this woman is a person

a very good character and they might

mean something like refined and well-mannered but no generally it is the same as virtue so how do we

attain this how do we attain virtue how do we find our good character well that's a that's a great

question a lot of people think that virtue is somehow loosely equivalent to just being good or being nice.

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