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The Dangerous Push to Tax AI

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4.5980 Ratings

🗓️ 30 June 2026

⏱️ 32 minutes

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Summary

Republicans and Democrats are finding rare common ground: taxing AI. But should they? Cato's Adam Michel and Daniel Bunn of the Tax Foundation dismantle the three biggest arguments around the idea: showing why the data doesn't support the claims that AI is replacing workers, labor is losing out to capital, or the tax code unfairly favors automation.

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0:00.0

Anxiety over AI has created a new topic that Republicans and Democrats can agree on.

0:10.1

We should tax it.

0:11.6

And with most bipartisan agreement, this consensus is a bad one.

0:15.4

Specific proposals vary.

0:17.1

Andrew Yang wants to tax computing power.

0:19.4

Bill Gates wants the robots to pay taxes. Elizabeth Warren thinks her wealth tax is the solution. Bernie Sanders wants taxpayers to own about half of AI companies. Donald Trump's view doesn't seem that much different. The proposals all vary in their mechanisms, but they are motivated by the same three-part story. First, that labor's share

0:39.9

of national income has declined in recent decades. Second, that AI will accelerate this loss of

0:46.0

economic power for workers. And third, that the tax code makes all of this worse because we are

0:51.0

already undertaxing capital. The problem with this is that all three parts of

0:56.6

the story are wrong. I'm Adam Michelle, director of tax policy studies at the Cato Institute, and my

1:02.3

guest today is Daniel Bunn, president of the Tax Foundation. We've each written on this topic recently

1:08.3

and came to similar conclusions that this AI panic is generating

1:12.1

some genuinely terrible tax ideas. So today, we're going to take them apart one at a time.

1:19.1

Daniel, welcome to the Cato podcast. Thank you for having me. Before we get into the specific proposals,

1:24.1

I want to start with a big picture question. What do you think is driving

1:29.3

this AI anxiety? And what are the things that made you decide that the reactions that we're seeing

1:35.6

needed a response? Yeah, the biggest thing that I think is driving this issue is just the

1:43.7

uncertainty that surrounds what this technology

1:47.4

will mean for the economy.

1:49.3

And that could be good things that it can mean for the economy or some negative things

1:53.4

that some people have been talking about.

1:55.3

And that uncertainty is not something that, you know, individuals, families, they don't like living with uncertainty.

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