The Daily Presents “Caliphate,” Chapter 10

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🗓️ 23 June 2018

⏱️ 33 minutes

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The New York Times has introduced a documentary audio series that follows Rukmini Callimachi, who covers terrorism for The Times, on her quest to understand ISIS. Today, as a special episode of “The Daily,” we offer the last chapter of “Caliphate.” Rukmini asks: What does the future hold for the ISIS returnee who confessed to murder? And what does he believe now? For more information about the series, visit nytimes.com/caliphate. This episode includes disturbing language and scenes of graphic violence.

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0:00.0	From the New York Times and the team that brought you the daily, this is Caliphate.
0:23.9	ISIS is being dealt, one brutal defeat after another.
0:30.3	Not only are we defeating these killers, these savage killers, horrible, horrible.
0:42.3	You don't even want to say people.
0:46.2	Over there, but we sure as hell don't want them to come over here.
0:52.0	I'm sorry.
0:53.0	You know, they come back to some countries and they come in.
1:01.9	We're making it a very difficult process.
1:03.8	We had such weakness.
1:05.2	They go out, kill people, then they come back and they go back home to mom and dad.
1:17.9	So it's been a year.
1:22.3	Walk us through what happened the morning after we left.
1:28.8	I had just walked in.
1:29.8	I'll, you know, Harold, Messy, pajamas and T-shirt.
1:35.6	It was winter, so they were wearing like their jackets, black jackets.
1:39.5	They introduced themselves.
1:41.4	They showed their badges and then they said that can we come in and have a conversation
1:44.7	with you?
1:47.3	I knew why they were here right away.
1:50.1	And we sat down right on my living room in my house.
1:55.6	How'd you feel in that moment?
1:58.2	Really nervous because it was their very first time this was happening with me.
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