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The Epstein scandal has just taken another bad turn for Donald Trump.

NPR reports that the Justice Department has withheld some files relating to charges that Trump potentially abused a minor.

And Democratic Congressman Robert Garcia just dropped a bombshell as well,

claiming that he'd reviewed DOJ materials personally and can confirm that DOJ does appear to have withheld critical FBI interviews.

What's really noteworthy here is that we now see the cover-up becoming a significant part of the

story in a freshly vivid way. And interestingly, Trump's constant treatment of DOJ as his own

personal law firm could now work against him, since DOJ controls what we learn about what's in the

files. To unravel all this, we're talking today to

University of Michigan law professor Leah Littman, who's great at decoding this kind of complexity.

Leah, great to have you on. Thanks for having me. So let's just set the table this way. The Epstein files,

of course, are the materials amassed via federal investigations into Jeffrey

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