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As of this recording, things are in full-blown chaos in Washington, D.C. as lawmakers race to negotiate a spending bill to avoid a government shutdown.

But there are a couple things we can already conclude about the coming Donald Trump presidency.

One is that Trump is going to screw over his voters very badly, including rural voters.

We're already seeing the beginnings of that in this shutdown fight.

Another is that Trump is going to humiliate Mike Johnson mercilessly going forward,

and Republicans are going to have one heck of a time trying to minister to the whims of Trump and Elon Musk,

which are already being revealed to be

deeply dangerous and crazy. We're chatting about this with Paul Waldman, who's the co-author with

Tom Schaller of the book White Rural Rage. Good to have you on, Paul. Thank you. So to quickly

catch people up, House Republicans thought they had negotiated a deal with Democrats to keep the government open. But then Elon Musk attacked the bill spending and then Trump opposed it. Republicans then declared it dead because Trump and Musk are their masters. As of this moment, House Republicans have a new deal which Trump endorsed, a two-year extension of the

debt limit until January 2027, a continuation of current government funding levels, extension of

disaster aid and the farm bill, and some other stuff. Paul, I don't know what Democrats are going

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