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Crimes of the Times

The Dahlia Zodiac Connection: Part Three

Crimes of the Times

L.A. Times Studios

Christopher Goffard, Los Angeles, La Times, Los Angeles Times, True Crime, Chris Goffard, News, Society & Culture

4.642.8K Ratings

🗓️ 21 April 2026

⏱️ 26 minutes

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Summary

Were the Black Dahlia and Zodiac murders the work of the same man? A new theory argues a disturbed World War II veteran was responsible. In this episode, a former FBI profiler explores the psychology behind both cases, examining where they overlap and where they diverge.

Transcript

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0:00.0

This is an LA Times Studios podcast.

0:07.4

Walk me through the key pieces of evidence here.

0:10.1

If you were making a presentation to a jury, what are the top three or four things you would point to?

0:17.8

The drawing.

0:28.6

It has a diagram, obviously, of Elizabeth short, with the markings on her in its title Elizabeth.

0:29.6

I'm talking to Rick Jackson.

0:31.6

He was a homicide detective for 36 years, both at the LAPD and at the San Mateo County Sheriff's Office.

0:39.0

He's talking about an eerie deathbed drawing left by Marvin Margolis depicting a topless woman

0:44.6

entitled Elizabeth. He thinks it provides an undeniable linkage between Margolis and Short's murder.

0:52.9

Knowing that Margolis had a relationship, at least for a short period of time,

0:59.8

in the proximity when she was killed, had threatened her make this drawing very important.

1:06.7

Beyond that, he sees it as proof that Margollis was also the Zodiac killer,

1:10.8

who terrorized

1:12.1

Northern California in the late 1960s.

1:15.4

The word zodiac kind of hidden under the dark shaded areas at the bottom of the picture,

1:21.8

that's crazy stuff.

1:24.9

Were you able to see the Zodiac word yourself? Yes, you can see it. It's not real clear,

1:30.6

but I've also seen photographs when it had been enhanced with filters and lighting,

1:35.5

so I can verify that based on what I saw, at least.

1:43.2

In June 1970, the Zodiac sent a letter containing two lines of encrypted writing to the San Francisco Chronicle.

1:51.0

The letter included a Phillips 66 service station roadmap.

1:56.0

On it, the Zodiac had marked a spot on the peak of Mount Diablo in Contra Costa County with his signature crossed circle emblem, which seemed to double as a compass.

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