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Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty.

Armstrong and Getty.

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It doesn't look like it's even going to work on paper, but imagine trying to force those huge movements of population or militaries in the real world, in potentially a continuing battlefield zone.

That's the reality of the idea of territorial swaps already flat out rejected here by Ukraine.

A tough political ask, an impossible military ask, you might argue.

And that really leaves people so anxious here

that if the bedrock of these talks potentially is territorial swaps, and that is impractical

and unsellable here, what possibly could Trump emerge from that meeting with?

That's CNN's reporting yesterday. I've heard a lot of different reporting and a lot of different angles, of course, because

this came together really fast and we have no idea how it's going to go or really even what the topic matter is going to be.

Let's discuss with Justin Logan, Director of Defense and Foreign Policy Studies at the Cato Institute.

Justin's take might differ somewhat from ours, but he has at least an idea from, judging from his recent piece, of how a settlement might look.

The title of the piece is the key to success at Trump-Booten-Lasca Summit on Ukraine.

Low expectations.

Justin Logan joins us now.

Justin, how are you, sir?

Just fine.

Good morning.

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