Twas 11 years ago, I was but a wee lad watching the internet when I came across a YouTube video from Sargon Avakar.

And his gentle musings informed me of classical liberalism in great minds like Locke.

And today, this man hates liberalism and is trying, I'm kidding, but we're here to

debate the limits of liberalism and post-liberalism, because now there are many people who,

like Carl, I suppose, how would you describe yourself? Post-liber? I would call myself a traditionalist,

but I am a post-liberal, that is correct. Post-liberal. And I've been reading more comments from people on X,

seeing a lot of these debates, and finding myself in agreement with a lot of what post-liberals have

been saying. I mean, actually watching your show and stuff for a long period of time. So this is what

we're going to do today. We have the Lotus Eater's gentlemen here with us as well and Phil Labonte. So why don't we just start? You can do a quick introduction for you on what you do.

Sure. My name is Carl Benjamin. I'm the director of lotocetas.com. I'm one of the hosts of the podcast

of Lotus Cetas. And I finished a degree in philosophy last year because I wanted to get to the bottom of what it is that is actually causing all of the trouble in our political system.

Because you'll notice that most countries that aren't liberal countries just don't have the problems that we have.

And so I wanted to understand why we have the problems that we have.

And I've come to the conclusion that I think it's liberalism itself that is at issue

because it's trying to bring about a world

that has never existed and can never exist. And so we're constantly finding ourselves

butting up against reality, against the idea, from the ideals of liberalism. And I think

there is a reasonable way that we can simply modify the ideals of liberalism to change

the nature of it to more fit what we are and where we want to go. All right. Connor's here as well.

Yes, Connor Tomlinson, also co-host over at lotatises.com. Host my own show, Tomlinson talks on

Wednesday afternoon's there, occasionally pop up in various magazines and on the new culture forum and the like.

If I were to describe myself, check my Twitter bio at Zuma Catholic Reactionary in that order.

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