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The Gray Area with Sean Illing

The cult of toughness

The Gray Area with Sean Illing

Vox Media Podcast Network

Society & Culture, News, Politics, News Commentary, Philosophy

4.610.8K Ratings

🗓️ 20 December 2021

⏱️ 65 minutes

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Summary

Sean Illing talks with political commentator and author David French about modern conservatism and masculinity. They discuss the divergence between the Right's view of masculinity and what they fear the Left's view is, how Trump and politicians in his image have changed the conception of manliness within the GOP, and what the continued glorification of these revised ideals will mean for our political future in America. Host: Sean Illing (@seanilling), Interviews Writer, Vox Guest: David French (@DavidAFrench), senior editor, The Dispatch; contributing writer, The Atlantic References: "The New Right's Strange and Dangerous Cult of Toughness" by David French (Atlantic; Dec. 1) American Sniper, dir. Clint Eastwood (2014) American Psychological Association, Guidelines for Psychological Practice with Boys and Men (2018) Senator Hawley Delivers National Conservatism Keynote on the Left's Attack on Men in America "Madison Cawthorn: Society 'De-masculates' Men, Parents Should Raise Sons to Be Monsters" by Daniel Villarreal (Newsweek, Oct. 18) Enjoyed this episode? Rate Vox Conversations ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ and leave a review on Apple Podcasts. Subscribe for free. Be the first to hear the next episode of Vox Conversations by subscribing in your favorite podcast app. Support Vox Conversations by making a financial contribution to Vox! bit.ly/givepodcasts This episode was made by: Producer: Erikk Geannikis Editor: Amy Drozdowska Engineer: Paul Robert Mounsey Deputy Editorial Director, Vox Talk: Amber Hall Vox Audio Fellow: Victoria Dominguez Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Why are conservatives so obsessed with masculinity?

1:06.6

I'm Sean Elling and I'm your host for Vox Conversations.

1:13.1

If you follow the conservative movement at all, you're familiar with this obsession.

1:24.8

People like Josh Holley, a senator from Missouri, and a star of the new right

1:29.9

have made masculinity a signature issue. In a recent speech, Holley argued that the

1:35.7

progressive left is trying to quote, deconstruct the American man. That's quite a statement.

1:42.3

And whether you agree with it or not, it's crucial to understand its political power.

1:48.4

Holley had more to say to. I'm not here tonight to tell you the men are victims.

1:54.8

The last thing that we need more of in the United States today is the victim mindset.

2:03.4

But let me ask this. Can we be surprised that after years of being told that they are the problem,

2:10.5

that their manhood is the problem. More and more men are withdrawing into the enclave of

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